It not so much that they r idiots cause don't get me wrong they r idiots especially when u say that the GCPD or clock tower is better then the Batcave or when they all put up a thread like no batcave wanted or when u say things like why would Batman go all the way back to the Batcave given the current threat level?? So little stupid things like that makes them idiots & then they try to claim that they r hardcore Batman fans which is a bold face lie cause no one hardcore would have had a problem with anybody asking for the Cave. Example that stupid MajinKB or that brain dead Grandpasoda those two guys came after Oldschool cause he was asking for the Batcave & Soda kept on saying that u waited to long to ask for it & then he kept on saying why would Rocksteady contact u about the Cave & what makes u think they would come back to Arkham Knight?? And MajinKB couldn't make up his mind about whether he said that he didn't want the Batcave in the game & finally he said that the Batcave would mess up the story of the game. Now finally after i jumped on the WB forums & called Majin out on the stupid things he said & i pointed out the fact that he is not a hardcore fan cause claiming to be hardcore & behaving like one r two different things. Now there is nothing wrong with someone being a casual fan of Batman but when u start saying things like lets remove the Batcave from Batmans universe which MajinKB did say on one of the threads or like what soda said about how Oldschool waited too long to ask for the Cave which is bull cause at that time Arkham Knight had only been out a few months & then sodas hair brain comments about how Rocksteady is never coming back to Arkham Knight when if u look at games like World of Warcraft which gets tons of DLC every year & let me point this out another example of how movies like Batman vs Superman got so much hype was cause of guys like Grandpasoda & MajinKB who r casual but the more i think about i don't think Majin is really even casual, i think Soda is more casual then Majin but anyway the Batman vs Superman was terrible the Batmobile looked more like car that would belong to a villian not Batman, and Ben Affleck did not make me feel like he was Batman at all, the only good thing about that movie was Batmans safehouse which was not actually the Batcave but it was a dam good looking secondary safehouse & very hi tech which made me upset at the fact Batman was not acting like he was a detective with all that awesome equipment he had. But the real point is that cause of guys like Majin & soda who run around here saying don't ask for the Batcave or remove the Batcave or remove this & change that, it would lead to more bad movies, bad comics of Batman, & Batman twisted stories like the Batman Telltale game. So hardcore fans like myself want the main elements of Batman to stay the same as much as possible. But some of the casuals out there r going to ruin want to have everything rearranged but not realizing eventually we won't be able to relate to Batman anymore. In other words if u r going to call them idiots these r the reasons why.